Teaching at 16 and Tackling Climate Change: Andrew Winkler's Unconventional Path
Andrew Winkler joins the podcast to discuss his innovative approaches to understanding human relationships through cognitive functions and love languages. He challenges the traditional notion of the five love languages by introducing eight distinct types, each linked to our cognitive processing styles. Andrew shares his journey from an early start in academia to developing engaging systems for literacy and even creating a business centered around dog accessories. The conversation also delves into the challenges he faced as a young college student and the impact of mentorship on his career. With a focus on how to navigate relationships effectively, Andrew emphasizes the importance of recognizing and adapting to different communication styles to foster deeper connections.
Andrew Winkler's remarkable journey from a prodigy in academia to a multifaceted entrepreneur and author unfolds in this engaging podcast conversation. Starting college at just 15 years old and teaching his first course at 16, Andrew's academic prowess led him to prestigious institutions like Stanford and Columbia. However, his intellectual pursuits extend beyond mathematics and academia; he has ventured into the business world, famously selling bomber jackets for dogs. This unique business idea was born from a practical need while jogging with a border collie, leading to the creation of a popular product and a successful company. Despite the rapid growth of his ventures, Andrew candidly shares the challenges of scaling a business too quickly and the lessons learned about sustainable growth.
The discussion delves into Andrew's explorations of human relationships and personality, particularly his insights into love languages and cognitive functions. He proposes a nuanced view of emotional connections, suggesting there are eight love languages instead of the commonly recognized five. Drawing from personal experiences, he emphasizes the importance of understanding how individuals perceive love and affection, which can drastically improve relationships. This exploration highlights the complexities of human interaction and the need for effective communication in fostering meaningful connections.
Andrew also discusses his current projects, including his commitment to sustainable practices and literacy development. His innovative literacy system aims to make reading accessible to everyone, emphasizing sound recognition as a foundational skill. As he continues to work on multiple writing projects, including books on mathematics and emotional intelligence, Andrew's passion for learning and sharing knowledge shines through. His ambition to leave a legacy of love, understanding, and sustainability underscores the profound impact he hopes to have on future generations.
Takeaways:
- Andrew Winkler's journey began with an accelerated academic path, starting college at 15 years old.
- He emphasizes that only those unafraid of truth can truly discover it in life.
- Winkler's experiences highlight the importance of mentorship in navigating academic and professional paths.
- His innovative literacy system demonstrates how learning to read can be simplified for children.
- Winkler discusses the complexities of love languages, proposing there are eight cognitive functions involved.
- The podcast explores how understanding personality types can improve relationships and communication.
Companies mentioned in this episode:
- Macy's
- Khan Academy
Transcript
My guest today is Andrew Winkler.
Host:He started college at 15 and taught his first course at 16, going on to become a professor at Stanford and Columbia.
Host:He started a company selling bomber jackets to dogs and has started several companies inventing systems, a system for literacy, for security, for secure data and data storage, and now finding ways to make good use of carbon pulling from the air.
Host:He's also worked with several tech startups and now living on those investments.
Host:He's also writing books on how personality determines what will make you make us feel loved and unloved and how to understand what those can't, what those who care about most need from us.
Host:And on how Newton came up with his ideas and how the facets of me mathematics can be seen to emerge on a single central data.
Host:We welcome Andrew to the podcast.
Host:Well, Andrew, welcome to the podcast.
Host:How you doing today, my friend?
Andrew Winkler:Great to be here, Doing great, thanks.
Andrew Winkler:Appreciate your having me on.
Host:I'm looking forward to having the conversation.
Host:I love to ask my guests this question though.
Host:What is the best piece of advice you've ever received?
Andrew Winkler:Yeah, that's a really interesting question.
Andrew Winkler:And what came to mind for me thinking about that is I.
Andrew Winkler:I ran across once a piece of advice which is that only if you're unafraid of truth can you find it.
Host:Oh, I like that.
Andrew Winkler:And I've.
Andrew Winkler:I found that to be really true over the course of my life.
Host:Where'd you hear that?
Andrew Winkler:You know, interesting places.
Andrew Winkler:Yeah, actually it was a.
Andrew Winkler:A church had put together a kind of a missionary outreach film and that, that was one of the things that they said in the film.
Andrew Winkler:And I saw it as a little kid and it's just stuck with me ever since.
Host:Wow, interesting.
Host:Well, you have led a quite accomplished life.
Host:And I'm always curious of people like yourself, who are some people in your life who served as an inspiration for you or someone served as a mentor on your journey?
Andrew Winkler:I had some really awesome mentors.
Andrew Winkler:The first that sort of comes to mind is Helmand Ferguson, who is a mathematician.
Andrew Winkler:And I was quite young when I started college and he kind of took me under wing and has been a great friend all, all over the years and to this day.
Andrew Winkler:And Peter Lacks was my thesis advisor when I was getting my PhD, and he and Peter Sarnak were both really very interesting figures in terms of my mathematical education.
Andrew Winkler:Henry McKean comes to mind too.
Andrew Winkler:He also had a really exhilarating style in terms of the way he thought about things and the way he approached things.
Andrew Winkler:And his lecture style was described as a bat out of hell.
Andrew Winkler:And.
Andrew Winkler:But I found that stimulating and interesting and engaging rather than intimidating.
Host:So some people, some might be taken back by that.
Host:Yes.
Andrew Winkler:Different strokes, right?
Host:Different strokes for different folks.
Host:I kind of like, I didn't like my lectures coming at me full bore like that.
Host:I kind of like to ease into a little bit.
Andrew Winkler:Well, it's funny, I had another professor.
Andrew Winkler:It's kind of a funny story, because from his lecturing style, I thought, man, this guy's an idiot.
Andrew Winkler:And then he got a job as a permanent member at the Institute for Advanced Study, which is like the most prestigious job there is in the scientific world.
Andrew Winkler:And then I realized it wasn't that he was an idiot, it's that he thought we were idiots.
Andrew Winkler:There you go.
Host:When genius is lost onto dumb, right?
Andrew Winkler:Yeah.
Host:So anyway, so you, you mentioned kind of in your opening there that you started college young.
Host:You didn't tell us exactly how young.
Host:You started college at 15 and taught your first class at 16.
Host:What motivated you to pursue this accelerated academic path?
Host:I mean, most of us at 15 are just like skateboarding.
Host:And you're, you're in college and you teach a class at 16.
Andrew Winkler:Yeah, it was unusual, definitely.
Andrew Winkler:I.
Andrew Winkler:I grew up in Maryland, and there was a guy named Julian Stanley who was a professor in the psychology department there.
Andrew Winkler:And he undertook what he called a study of.
Andrew Winkler:There are actually two studies.
Andrew Winkler:He did a study of mathematically precocious youth and a study of verbally precocious youth.
Andrew Winkler:And what he did is he gave a bunch of, you know, sixth and seventh graders the SATs, and then selected his study group from among those who.
er (alternate speaking style):Performed.
Andrew Winkler:Uncommonly well for that age on that test.
Andrew Winkler:And one of the sort of interventions he was really in favor of was skipping grades.
Andrew Winkler:And so I was in that program in sixth grade and seventh grade.
Andrew Winkler:And when it got time for eighth grade, I knew my dad was retiring and I knew my family was going to be moving away.
Andrew Winkler:And so I was like, I'm losing all my friends regardless, so now is as good a time as any if I'm ever going to skip a grade to do it.
Andrew Winkler:And so I did.
Andrew Winkler:I was bored out of my mind.
Andrew Winkler:I had some great teachers, but they weren't teaching to me.
Andrew Winkler:They were teaching to the class.
Andrew Winkler:And it was painful for me.
Andrew Winkler:I was so bored.
Andrew Winkler:And so I thought, well, you know, I'll skip into high school, which ninth grade was in that part of Maryland at the time, and then I'll be taking high school classes, and those will be stimulating and exciting.
Andrew Winkler:Steep learning curve ahead but anyway, that got me into high school, and then again, I, you know, it was like frying pan into the fire because now, you know, not only was I bored, but I was thinking I wasn't going to be.
Andrew Winkler:So it was sort of an insult to injury kind of situation.
Host:Right.
Andrew Winkler:So after, after a semester, I, I transferred into a different high school that was an open space school, which meant you could do everything at your own pace.
Andrew Winkler:And that was just heaven for me because, you know, I got to explore whatever I wanted to and go as fast as I.
Andrew Winkler:As I wanted.
Andrew Winkler:And the upshot of that was that by the time I finished, I was a junior in high school because I'd gotten that many credits.
Andrew Winkler:So when, when my dad did retire and the family moved, I had gone from being what would have been a ninth grader to being a junior in high school.
Andrew Winkler:And so I took a bunch of AP classes and at the end of that year, I just started college and.
Host:Wow.
Andrew Winkler:Never looked back.
Host:I'm curious, for someone that young in a college campus setting, what were some of the challenges you faced?
Host:You know, because you're around people who are nine, 10 years older than you, what challenges you discover kind of going from that, you know, high school to college right away?
Andrew Winkler:Well, I kind of didn't, in a way.
Andrew Winkler:I mean, I sort of got taken on as a bit of a mascot.
Andrew Winkler:You know, the older kids, you know, found me a novelty and, you know, I was young enough that it didn't really bother them, you know, that I was excelling the way I was.
Andrew Winkler:And so, you know, they just.
Andrew Winkler:I was kind of their pet, I guess.
Andrew Winkler:You know, the one odd thing about it is that I have a January birthday.
Andrew Winkler:So I was always one of the older kids, you know, in, in my class when I was younger.
Andrew Winkler:So I always thought of myself as tall.
Andrew Winkler:And then I, you know, skipped into college and all of a sudden I wasn't tall.
Andrew Winkler:But it didn't really, you know, phase me because I really didn't expect to be as tall as these, you know, people five years older than me or, you know, whatever.
Andrew Winkler:And then.
Andrew Winkler:But so it was only when I, you know, got old enough that I was back, you know, in sort of my age group again in some ways that I was like, wait a minute, what happened here?
Andrew Winkler:All of a sudden I was just average height.
Host:Right?
Andrew Winkler:So that was kind of.
Andrew Winkler:That was one of the kind of weirder adjustment situations for me, I think.
Host:Did you find college classes at least on your level?
Host:Not above you, but just kind of right where you're kind of your sweet spot.
Host:Spot.
Andrew Winkler:So actually things started to catch up with me.
Andrew Winkler:Even my.
Andrew Winkler:In my senior year of high school, I took a calculus class, and that was the first class that I actually had to study for.
Andrew Winkler:I couldn't just kind of waltz in and take the test and, you know, so that was a bit of a wakeup call for me.
Andrew Winkler:And so I developed some study habits then, which helped me when I got into college because I definitely couldn't just continue skating through.
Andrew Winkler:But I also tended to take, like, really heavy loads at this point.
Andrew Winkler:I had kind of a pathological fear of boredom.
Andrew Winkler:So I would take on, you know, way too much just out of fear that I end up bored otherwise.
Host:Which kind of explains, as I look at your.
Host:The many hats you wear.
Host:Professor, entrepreneur, author, comedian.
Host:How do you navigate all these things?
Host:I know you, you worry about being bored, but how do you not overload yourself with all these different hats you wear?
Andrew Winkler:Well, I, I do overload myself, you know, I mean it.
Andrew Winkler:You know, like right now I'm trying to finish three books and at the same time, at the same time, one of them is largely finished.
Andrew Winkler:One of them, I've gotten a first draft through but needs a lot more work.
Andrew Winkler:Another one, I'm maybe halfway through.
Andrew Winkler:And my, my.
Andrew Winkler:I mentioned my thesis advisor, Peter Lax.
Andrew Winkler:One of his exasperated remarks to me was, everything interests you.
Andrew Winkler:And so the flip side is, you know, that's a source of enormous enjoyment to me.
Andrew Winkler:So I, you know, I, in, in, I, I certainly could have had a more sort of relaxed, conventional life, but I wouldn't have had nearly as much fun and enjoyment.
Andrew Winkler:So I, I think it's, I think it's a decent trade off.
Host:I don't feel so bad because I'm actually working on two books simultaneously myself.
Host:So I thought I was just me who was crazy.
Andrew Winkler:And what are those about?
Host:Well, I just finished my doctoral thesis and so I'm turning the thesis into.
Host:Oh, thank you.
Host:I'm turning a thesis into a novel because mine was on helping churches who were navigate the change process.
Host:And I thought just doing that into a book, an academic book, would be boring.
Host:It'd be okay for me, but the rest of the audience would be boring still.
Host:So I thought if I turned it into a novel of kind of the whole change process through a fictional character and a fictional church, it might be more interesting.
Host:So.
Host:And the other one is, what would it be like if theologians of the past were sitting down around coffee today talking about modern issues?
Host:How would they handle it based on their own individual experiences.
Host:So.
Andrew Winkler:Right.
Andrew Winkler:Yeah.
Andrew Winkler:Religion has a real challenge because the world changes, so they have to change.
Andrew Winkler:But their value proposition is eternal things.
Andrew Winkler:And so you, you have to maintain in the illusion of not changing while you must change.
Host:Right.
Andrew Winkler:And that's a, that's a really hard balance.
Host:And because you're, you're kind of, you were stuck in a timeframe, a time period.
Host:The world around you is very different now.
Host:How would someone back then walk into a world today with their, you know, theological bent in place and deal with the changes that society are dealing with now?
Host:So it was kind of one of those things.
Host:What would they say if they were here like a Dietrich Bonheur today talking about social justice today versus when he was in Hitler's time kind of a thing?
Host:So.
Andrew Winkler:Right.
Andrew Winkler:He might find it a very familiar time.
Host:He might, yeah.
Host:But he also offers some insights for what the church did wrong back in his time.
Host:So.
Host:So I'm curious.
Host:Oh, go ahead.
Andrew Winkler:I was just saying that would be awesome to have that, that if it were heated.
Host:Yes, it is kind of fun to go back and forth.
Host:So, yeah, I got some theologians just kind of sitting around a coffee table.
Host:And the funny thing is they hadn't have coffee shops back then, not the way we have them now.
Host:So there's all these devices and things.
Host:So you got some of that going on too.
Host:It's like, why so much noise?
Host:How does this generation think?
Andrew Winkler:Yeah, I look forward to seeing those.
Host:Yeah, I looked at some of the things you've done too.
Host:And you started a company selling bomber jackets for dogs.
Host:How did you venture into that particular project?
Andrew Winkler:Oh, so I, I went to see my in laws with my now ex wife, wife at the time.
Andrew Winkler:And at the end of it she went back to New York where we were living and I went to a conference that was nearby.
Andrew Winkler:And when I came back from the conference, she greeted me at the airport with a friend for moral support because she also had a six week old border collie puppy.
Andrew Winkler:And so we found ourselves eventually breeding border collies in a Manhattan apartment, if you can imagine that.
Host:Wow.
Andrew Winkler:And yeah.
Andrew Winkler:But one day I was going for a run in Riverside park and she wanted me to take the dog along, which was great, but she wanted me to do some training.
Andrew Winkler:So she handed me some liver bits and I needed baggies to pick up after the dog and I needed keys, you know, to get back into the apartment.
Andrew Winkler:And my running shorts didn't have any pockets and so I was, you know, holding the leash and running out of hands and so she stuffed the baggies into my socks, which felt really, really awful.
Andrew Winkler:And my eruption was, why doesn't the dog carry all this stuff?
Andrew Winkler:So she sewed up a little bag to hang from the dog's collar and called the joggy bag and thought she had something because everybody in the park wanted to know where we'd gotten it.
Andrew Winkler:So she sewed up a bunch and took them to Macy's and sold them all and made some more, went to a pet distributor, sold them all.
Andrew Winkler:And so, you know, one thing led to another.
Host:Wow.
Host:Some of the best ideas come out of necessity, don't they?
Host:I love that.
Host:So how's that, How'd that, how that those sales ultimately go?
Andrew Winkler:So the company grew really rapidly and in fact, it grew too fast.
Andrew Winkler:And I didn't even know what that meant.
Andrew Winkler:People always say, don't grow too fast, but nobody really explains what it means.
Andrew Winkler:But it turns out that what's really going on is the you need money to make product before you can sell the product and get money back.
Andrew Winkler:And over that period of time, the faster you're growing, the more deeply you're drowning.
Andrew Winkler:And there's actually when I found myself drowning, I worked out the mathematical model that clarified what was going on.
Andrew Winkler:And it was like, oh, yeah, this can't work.
Andrew Winkler:And so we were able to do a licensing deal that meant somebody else was doing all the financing of the growth and we were collecting royalties.
Andrew Winkler:And that.
Andrew Winkler:That worked out quite well.
Andrew Winkler:When my wife and I went separate ways, it was really just sort of a one person design operation.
Andrew Winkler:And so she retained that and I, I went on my way, but you got to go making a lot of money for it ended up making quite a bit of money for other people.
Host:There you go.
Host:Lesson learned though.
Andrew Winkler:Yeah, yeah.
Andrew Winkler:It was experience is what you get when you didn't get what you wanted.
Host:Exactly.
Host:You also developed a system for literacy and secure data storage.
Host:Can you explain how those inventions came about?
Andrew Winkler:Yeah.
Andrew Winkler:So the literacy thing was, I have long wanted to put up sort of math science education thing on the web to, you know, make it all freely available to everyone, at least everyone that can get to a computer.
Andrew Winkler:The sort of thing that Khan ultimately did with Khan Academy was what I'd sort of been trying to build, but never had the combination of time and money at the same time to make that happen.
Andrew Winkler:But as I was thinking about it, I was like, well, if I want you to think about calculus this way, then I want you to think about algebra that way.
Andrew Winkler:And if I want you think about algebra that way.
Andrew Winkler:I want you to think about arithmetic this way.
Andrew Winkler:And it just sort of got kind of more and more fundamental until I was, well, you know, if you can't read, then you can't access any of this.
Andrew Winkler:And so my idea was, can I create a system of writing that you can read without knowing how to read?
Andrew Winkler:And it turns out that the problem is more subtle than that.
Andrew Winkler:What I created was a system of a way of using pictures to represent sounds in a way that you could piece those together to make words.
Andrew Winkler:And so you can learn how to read using this very, very quickly.
Andrew Winkler:But the subtlety is that for it to work, you have to have the skill of separating words into syllables, which pretty much everybody can do, but then syllables into sounds, and that splitting up into sounds is something that has to be taught.
Andrew Winkler:People don't just figure it out on their own, but the people that know it often don't realize they were ever taught it because it's something you learn so quickly, right?
Andrew Winkler:And so they don't realize you have to teach it.
Andrew Winkler:And so a lot of.
Andrew Winkler:A lot of people flounder unnecessarily.
Andrew Winkler:And so it occurred to me that it didn't work the way I wanted it to, but it worked extremely well for developing those skills.
Andrew Winkler:And so I've had some really interesting experiences with adults and children using it and figuring out from it, in a kind of a light bulb moment, how sounds fit together to make words.
Andrew Winkler:And then all of a sudden, ordinary writing isn't some mysterious code anymore.
Andrew Winkler:It's a.
Andrew Winkler:A rather cumbersome, but nonetheless fairly straightforward way of sequencing sounds to make words.
Host:So where can people find that resource that you've developed?
Andrew Winkler:Let's see, it's.
Andrew Winkler:It's not really findable at the moment.
Host:Oh, okay.
Andrew Winkler:I did have a web.
Andrew Winkler:I did have a website up.
Andrew Winkler:And I do have some resources.
Andrew Winkler:And anybody wanting to use the resources, you can contact me.
Andrew Winkler:I have a podcast now, I get it with Dr.
Andrew Winkler:Randy.
Andrew Winkler:If you find that, you'll also find links.
Andrew Winkler:Let's get in touch.
Andrew Winkler:I'll be happy to help anybody that wants to use those resources.
Andrew Winkler:I've got a storage space that's full of some card decks and some stamps and games that people can use for that.
Andrew Winkler:But I never figured out how to get it into people's hands and finally decided that basically I need to make some money doing other things first so that I can do it as a kind of charitable thing rather than trying to make it a business.
Host:That's cool.
Host:So what are you working on now?
Host:That just profitable for you?
Andrew Winkler:So I'm writing some books that I think actually people will find quite interesting.
Andrew Winkler:One of them is about a discovery that I rather painfully made.
Andrew Winkler:You may have heard of five Love languages.
Host:Yes.
Andrew Winkler:Yeah, Gary Chapman.
Andrew Winkler:Exactly.
Andrew Winkler:Yeah.
Andrew Winkler:Well, I say that there are eight.
Andrew Winkler:And the reason there are eight is because there are eight cognitive functions.
Andrew Winkler:Whenever we process information we have, we have to first ask, is it?
Andrew Winkler:And our senses, our sensing gives us that information.
Andrew Winkler:And then we need to know what is it?
Andrew Winkler:And that's where our thinking comes in.
Andrew Winkler:And then we need to decide, what is it?
Andrew Winkler:What is it worth?
Andrew Winkler:What's its value to us?
Andrew Winkler:And that's where feeling comes in.
Andrew Winkler:And then finally, what does it mean, which is what intuition is all about.
Andrew Winkler:And each of those four things we can do with our senses focused on the outward world or we can use internally focused on our memories and our internal sensations.
Andrew Winkler:And so that gives us eight.
Andrew Winkler:And the trouble is, we know we never live long enough to maturely develop all eight.
Andrew Winkler:We at best get to four of them over the course of a lifetime.
Andrew Winkler:And so for most of our life, we're really only good at a couple of them.
Andrew Winkler:And so that's what essentially determines our personality.
Andrew Winkler:And based on which, one of those functions is the one that we're really good at and really kind of value and focus on that determines what we'll notice.
Andrew Winkler:And we tend to be oblivious to everything else.
Andrew Winkler:So I'll tell you the personal experience that, that spawned this investigation for me.
Andrew Winkler:I had a relationship that I really valued at the time that was falling apart.
Andrew Winkler:And I read the five Love languages book and thought I'd give it a try.
Andrew Winkler:So I decided I didn't know what her love language was.
Andrew Winkler:I wasn't able to figure it out from reading the book, but I decided, look, I'm just going to do five things every day.
Andrew Winkler:And so every day I came up with five different, you know, one from each category, things to see what would happen.
Andrew Winkler:And after a few days, I got curious and I asked her about her experience mistake.
Andrew Winkler:It hadn't been long enough to really have an impact, but she did launch into a criticism of my feeble efforts.
er (alternate speaking style):The other 12, she hadn't even noticed.
er (alternate speaking style):It's like they hadn't even happened at all.
er (alternate speaking style):And the thing that struck me is that those three that she did notice were all of the same type.
er (alternate speaking style):But more than that, they all dovetailed perfectly with her dominant cognitive function.
Host:Interesting.
er (alternate speaking style):And that's when the light bulb went off.
er (alternate speaking style):So I Started talking with people and exploring.
er (alternate speaking style):I knew enough about personality to be able to identify personality types.
er (alternate speaking style):And I talked with him about.
er (alternate speaking style):Because a lot of people were interested in those five love languages and talked to them about what their love languages were.
er (alternate speaking style):And this pattern just recurred over and over and over and over and over repeatedly.
er (alternate speaking style):And so that's kind of where it all began.
Host:Oh, my goodness.
Host:So you worked.
Host:You said there's eight love languages, so you're working on those eight.
Host:Now.
Host:How does that.
Host:Because you mentioned earlier that we never will in our lifetime get all eight?
Host:So how do we use what we have now to identify which ones we've tapped into, and how do we use that to improve our relationships?
er (alternate speaking style):Okay, so it turns out that people actually show you, by the way they gesture and the way they talk, what their specific cognitive function use maps out to.
er (alternate speaking style):There are four different ways of walking and four different ways of gesturing.
er (alternate speaking style):One of the walks is really reminiscent of a charging bull.
er (alternate speaking style):This is somebody that is walking energetically straight ahead, looking straight ahead, their head lowered like they have horns.
er (alternate speaking style):And, you know, just a very focused walk.
er (alternate speaking style):And that's an interaction style that Linda Behrens calls in charge.
er (alternate speaking style):And again, it just is.
er (alternate speaking style):It's like a charging bull.
er (alternate speaking style):And it's.
er (alternate speaking style):Pretty much every action figure in every action movie has that kind of walk.
Host:Sure.
er (alternate speaking style):Then there's a glide, which.
er (alternate speaking style):A good example of that is in the very first episode of the first season of Game of Thrones.
er (alternate speaking style):There's a scene where Lady Stark is walking through the castle grounds to find her husband.
er (alternate speaking style):And it looks like she's on.
er (alternate speaking style):I call them flatilators, those escalators that are flat, like at airports, the people movers.
Host:Yes.
er (alternate speaking style):She looks like she's just on one of those.
er (alternate speaking style):She's gliding, you know, that.
er (alternate speaking style):That kind of smoothly floating across the surface of the castle.
er (alternate speaking style):And that kind of glide is characteristic of interaction style that Linda Behrens calls chart the course.
er (alternate speaking style):On the other hand, there's kind of a stroll way of styling or, excuse me, way of walking.
er (alternate speaking style):Think of, say, Ricky Gervais in the Invention of Lying.
er (alternate speaking style):In this sort of walk, there's a.
er (alternate speaking style):There's a curiosity where, you know, they're not sort of solely focused on straight ahead like those other two I described.
er (alternate speaking style):They're looking around, they're taking everything in.
er (alternate speaking style):They're kind of relaxed and friendly.
er (alternate speaking style):And then there's the bounce, which.
er (alternate speaking style):Think of Tigger or think of Dick Van Dyke as Birdie in Mary Poppins.
er (alternate speaking style):It's that sprig in the Step, it's that making eye contact with everyone, engaging everyone, smiling at everyone, really focused on the people much more than a specific task or goal or on everything.
er (alternate speaking style):On the other hand, and this is the type that Linda Behrens calls get things going.
er (alternate speaking style):And so the first step is to kind of figure out which of these, you know, styles is characteristic of the person that I'm.
er (alternate speaking style):That I'm focusing on now.
er (alternate speaking style):Everyone has all.
er (alternate speaking style):So it's really more kind of what's your habitual state?
er (alternate speaking style):Because everyone can.
er (alternate speaking style):Can do all these things.
er (alternate speaking style):All of us have all eight of the cognitive functions, but there's a difference in maturity and skill.
er (alternate speaking style):And so that's four, and then there's another four which has to do with.
Andrew Winkler:The way people gesture.
er (alternate speaking style):And one really common style of gesturing is to use your hands like they're a cleaver or like they're holding reins, riding a horse.
er (alternate speaking style):And that's.
er (alternate speaking style):That style of gesture is one you find in people who are really focused on logistics, who really value security, who tend to be focused on tradition and are really good at sort of stabilizing things.
er (alternate speaking style):Then another, not quite as common, but also very common, is where the fingers being used like they're poking or pecking.
er (alternate speaking style):And that style is typical of people who are improvisers, who are more focused on sensation, more focused on the here and now.
er (alternate speaking style):And Kirzy calls them artisans.
er (alternate speaking style):Your classic rock star musician is kind of that type.
Host:Sure.
er (alternate speaking style):And then there are a couple of more rare types.
er (alternate speaking style):If you've ever watched Bernie Sanders gesture, it's like his hands are wings or fins.
er (alternate speaking style):And that's characteristic of idealists, catalysts, the sort of people who are good at diplomacy and bringing people together and are really into identity, want to be authentic.
er (alternate speaking style):And then a fourth style that also is much less common is you'll see the hand used like a claw.
er (alternate speaking style):And I actually would have given you a really good example of that myself if the camera were still on, because that's.
er (alternate speaking style):That's kind of my temperament.
er (alternate speaking style):And that's characteristic of the knowledge seeker, a sort of person who's focused on strategy and has a kind of timeless orientation of almost as though time doesn't exist.
er (alternate speaking style):Past, present and future constantly before me is one of the quotes there.
er (alternate speaking style):And so by watching for these four different styles of gestures, you can also figure out what their temperament is and the combination of the two, temperament and interaction style determines which of these eight cognitive functions you tend to use the most and rely on the most and trust the most.
er (alternate speaking style):And there's also another one that you use as your so called gesture.
er (alternate speaking style):And that's also important for love because it kind of is sitting back going, what's wrong with this picture?
er (alternate speaking style):Like the jester in a court that could tell the king the truth where nobody else could.
er (alternate speaking style):The jester is the one that's always second guessing everything for you.
er (alternate speaking style):So you need to both feel loved in your most dominant sense, but you also need to not feel unloved.
er (alternate speaking style):For the gesture function, there is a way of mapping these out.
er (alternate speaking style):It's slightly complicated to describe, but one thing you can do is once you're aware that all eight of these exist and start thinking about what each of these eight things needs, you can do the same experiment that I was trying where you just throw into your mix of actions, you know, each of those eight, you know, on a kind of a rotating basis.
er (alternate speaking style):And then you'll see which ones they're responding to.
er (alternate speaking style):And then you'll have, in addition, a great deal of insight into, you know, kind of what makes them tick and what things for them are natural and what things are hard for them.
Host:That's fascinating.
Host:So how are you getting this information out or how are you helping people to discover that?
Host:Do you have a website or a book that you've developed to do that?
er (alternate speaking style):Well, I mean, the process of editing I have a first draft, but I still have some work ahead of me on a book for it, which I hope to have available soon.
er (alternate speaking style):I did have some things up on a website, but it's currently not up.
er (alternate speaking style):Hopefully before too long I'll be able to get that back up.
er (alternate speaking style):And I'm also putting together a course which people can take online that will walk you through all the things that you need to understand to be able to use this.
er (alternate speaking style):And the initial version, I'm focusing on intimate relationships, but it's really every relationship.
er (alternate speaking style):So if it's your kid that you want to be sure that they feel loved, then there's a version for that.
er (alternate speaking style):If you're a manager and you want to.
er (alternate speaking style):People don't leave companies, they leave their managers.
er (alternate speaking style):And so having that relationship be a strong one and a valued one is really key.
er (alternate speaking style):And managers tend to have one particular personality style that is often very different from the people who are working for them.
er (alternate speaking style):And there can be a real disconnect in terms of people being able to feel valued and appreciated.
er (alternate speaking style):But the same thing is true if you're a salesman and are trying to provide a service or a product to somebody.
er (alternate speaking style):Building that rapport is a critical part of that process too.
er (alternate speaking style):And even within Teams.
er (alternate speaking style):So life is permeated with relationships, and having those relationships be strong and valued is kind of key to everything we do.
Andrew Winkler:So cool.
Host:So what's your working title for this?
Andrew Winkler:So.
er (alternate speaking style):My first working title was Making Love and Feeling it, but the feedback I got was that it made it sound too much like a sex manual.
Host:Yeah, that's true.
Host:I was thinking, is that what you really mean by that?
er (alternate speaking style):So where I thought I was just being clever, it was turning people off.
er (alternate speaking style):So that's not the working title anymore.
Host:Probably.
Host:Probably a good thing.
er (alternate speaking style):Then I was thinking Love Quotients, and I may still use some variation on that, but I'm also kind of leaning towards the metaphor of frequencies or wavelengths, because what's really happening is if you're sending your love on one frequency, and it's not the frequency they're tuned in on, they're not getting it.
er (alternate speaking style):They're not feeling loved.
er (alternate speaking style):And if you love someone, if you value someone, if you care about someone, if you want a strong relationship with someone, you want them to be able to feel the ways that you're showing your care.
er (alternate speaking style):And so, you know, knowing about the frequencies and being able to frequency switch in ways that people need to feel loved or to not feel unloved is something I think we all want to be able to do and know how to do.
Host:Yeah, that's good.
Host:I love that.
Host:So you also have a podcast I want to talk.
Host:Get you to talk a little bit about that as we kind of wrap things up.
Host:Tell us about your podcast.
er (alternate speaking style):Okay, so the podcast is called Now I get it with Dr.
er (alternate speaking style):Andy.
er (alternate speaking style):And what kind of prompted me to put it together is I did want to.
er (alternate speaking style):For there to be a place where people could learn about some of this, you know, love frequency stuff.
er (alternate speaking style):And so I thought, well, you know, a podcast, I can do that.
er (alternate speaking style):And so I actually have, in several episodes, talked about various facets of.
er (alternate speaking style):Of this.
er (alternate speaking style):And.
er (alternate speaking style):But then I also.
er (alternate speaking style):I have another book that is about how Newton came up with his discoveries.
er (alternate speaking style):And I have another book which is kind of a grand unified theory of mathematics.
er (alternate speaking style):It describes how one simple idea, as you explore the idea in a very systematic way, all of the various branches of mathematics split off as kind of subtasks in the study of this one thing.
er (alternate speaking style):And so it's something I find very beautiful and fascinating.
er (alternate speaking style):And so I was thinking, well, you know, I'd kind of like to do a podcast about those things too.
er (alternate speaking style):And what I did this podcast accelerator training thing, and they convinced me that there are people out there who have the Same kind of far ranging intellectual curiosity that I do and that I should just bring into it all the things that I find interesting.
er (alternate speaking style):And so that's kind of what I've done.
er (alternate speaking style):I did one episode where I explained how crypto works and another one where I kind of explained how the geometry of events, you know, creates our universe and so on.
er (alternate speaking style):So, you know, just kind of things that I've thought of or encountered over the years that, that I think are kind of really fascinating thoughts.
er (alternate speaking style):I'm.
er (alternate speaking style):I'm talking about there.
Host:Oh, that sounds interesting as a Check out your Now I get it with Dr.
Host:Andy podcast.
er (alternate speaking style):Yeah, thanks.
er (alternate speaking style):I hope you enjoy it.
Host:I will.
Host:So, Andy, as we kind of wrap things up, I'd love to ask my guest this question.
Host:You have had a interesting career and you are so passionate about so many things.
Host:Well, what do you want your legacy to be?
er (alternate speaking style):Well, what I hope it ultimately is, is I have some ideas for how to sustain, sustainably get carbon out of the atmosphere and what to kind of do with it in a way that again will scale and sustain itself.
er (alternate speaking style):And so I'm exploring that as well.
er (alternate speaking style):And if I can make that happen, then it's kind of hard to imagine anything I could come up with that would, that would be ultimately more important than that.
er (alternate speaking style):But the love frequency stuff, I think can be absolutely transformative for very many people who are unnecessarily miserable.
er (alternate speaking style):They are sort of dying of a thirst for love in an ocean of love that's being expressed that they're not feeling.
er (alternate speaking style):And that I think is a serious tragedy.
er (alternate speaking style):If I can ultimately figure out a way to get the literacy stuff into the people's hands that need it and could use it, that's another kind of big source of misery throughout the world.
er (alternate speaking style):And the mathematical stuff I just find fun.
er (alternate speaking style):So if there are a few people that find that interesting and fascinating and aesthetically delightful, you know, I'd love for that to be the case too.
er (alternate speaking style):But, you know, once I'm dead, people are of course welcome to gather from my life whatever value they can.
er (alternate speaking style):Some will gather a cautionary tale from it.
Host:Right.
er (alternate speaking style):That's fine too.
Host:Andy, thanks so much for sharing.
Host:Where can people connect with you?
Host:I know your website is in flux again, but where can they find you and follow you?
er (alternate speaking style):Yeah, so Winklers us is the website, when it does show up, the links will also appear on the podcast.
er (alternate speaking style):So that's a good place to start looking for me now.
er (alternate speaking style):I get it with Dr.
er (alternate speaking style):Andy.
er (alternate speaking style):And then that'll get you to the website when I've got it up.
Host:Well, Andy, thanks so much.
er (alternate speaking style):I'm also on LinkedIn and I'm also on Facebook, so you can find me there as well.
Host:Great.
Host:Well, again, thank you so much for being a guest on the podcast.
Host:Blessings on the work you do.
Host:It sounds like you got some good or good projects there working, and hopefully you and I can finish our books and get them out there for the world to read.
er (alternate speaking style):From your lips to God's ears.
Host:Exactly.
er (alternate speaking style):Thank you so much for having me.
er (alternate speaking style):It's been a real pleasure talking with you.
Host:It was.
Host:Andy, thank you.
Host:You're welcome.
Host:On any time.
er (alternate speaking style):Take care.
er (alternate speaking style):Bye.
